ITP: Questions

[maybe_a_king]

[Four months. January would mark her fourth month in this place and Arturia is very, very confused. This is a place where special abilities are not only accepted, but commonplace, and there's little chance of the Grail War coming here. She always hated keeping secrets back home, but had understood the why of it. It bothered her, but she had accepted this as a fact of life.

Even more than that, Shinji weighs on her mind. Shinji had been a jerk, there was no question about that. The girls who followed him around were the type of teenage girl who seemed to think that sort of person was a real man. Arturia knew better than that just from spending so much time with Sakura. The only reason Arturia had not tried beating him to a pulp for what he did to his sister had been due to Sakura asking her to leave him be and stay out of it. It angered her to just stand by and yet....

...yet when she gets back home, she has every intention of going to the Matou home and telling Sakura in person that her brother is dead. Arturia has no idea how to tell her and the thought of lying to Sakura and creating a cover story leaves her slightly ill whenever she thinks of it since, in the end, Arturia feels like she is the one responsible. Archer may have put the bullet through Shinji's brain, but he had been Arturia's Servant.

There had to have been an alternative. There had to be.

Once she figures out how to post anonymously on the Network, she does so.]

[Text; Anonymous]

When is it acceptable to kill someone?

For that matter, when would you say it is acceptable to keep secrets.?

(ooc: Threadjacking is a-okay and encouraged)

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[kings_thief]

When innocent lives are at stake.

Text; Anon

[maybe_a_king]

[and they had been, indeed they had been. Maybe part of her feelings over the matter is, for all his depravity, she'd never considered Shinji the type to try to murder people for the sake of power.

Then again, she had never known there'd been another magus in the city apart from her until she'd gotten caught up in the Grail War.]

What about after?

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[unohana_hat]

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Text; Anon; FUN WITH LEET SPEAK! \o/

[maybe_a_king]

I beg your pardon, sir? I think you might have misspelled a few words.

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[bakegarasu]

... There aren't really a lot of limitations on killing. Acceptability is only based on rules of society, and if you don't follow those rules at all then it really doesn't matter.

As for keeping secrets, that's up to you. It depends what you're keeping and who you're keeping it from. Is it important for them to know? If no then there's no real reason that you have to tell anyone anything.

[Text; anonymous]

[maybe_a_king]

What about if you were forced to kill a close friend to save a lot of people? [Well, Shinji was anything but close, but her identity might become clear if she elaborates more than necessary.]

Even if it's a secret you have to keep from your loved ones?

[text]

[electricyousei]

I don't think its ever acceptable to kill people, that makes it sound cold and distant. If there is no other alternative sometimes people die, but stopping that should always be a top priority.

Secrets though never bring anything good. Especially big ones.

[text; Anonymous]

[maybe_a_king]

Even in situations where a lot of people could be killed if you don't kill the one person?

So they're never acceptable to you?

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[greyerrant]

That is a hard question. In war, killing is a fairly easy undertaking, you understand you are slaying your foe, and you have been activated for war by those you trust.

Outside of a war, things are less clear. It has been so long since I've been anything other than a soldier it is a hard question for me, morally. I shall refer to some of the texts I used to study while not training for battle, or engaged in a campaign: In general, leave the killing to soldiers and in certain circumstances law enforcement. In extremis, in self defense, or in the defense of others who are clearly threatened MAY constitute a cause to slay another, but only if you have no other choice. Try to pursue other options first. Disable your opponent, bind them, talk them down.

[ As for the second question, Garviel has VERY strong opinions. ]

I loathe and despise secrets, they are the basis of unfair dealing and rub against the creed of secular enlightenment and knowledge that I cleave to. That being established, I have been forced by circumstances into a position where certain secrets must be kept. It is a hard question to answer. My advice is to always be truthful unless the lie will save and preserve lives. Personal feelings are immaterial. I once made friends with a man because I knew he wouldn't lie to me, and I've never regretted it. As a general rule, lies only benefit those without honor or a good argument, so you should avoid using them, and thus buying into the world view of those who would manipulate others without trusting them with the truth.

text; anonymous

[maybe_a_king]

What about after someone is killed? What should you do then? Especially if they are a comrade of yours?

[And Garviel is just giving her more reason not to tell him about the water-walking. Damn it, Garvi. You and your ENLIGHTENMENT talk! She intentionally doesn't talk anymore about the secrets.]

[greatergone]

Killing your enemies is always acceptable.

[maybe_a_king]

what if it's not an enemy, per se?

[text | anon]

[dreamprotector]

...It depends a lot on the situation.

Same with secrets. Though... It's okay to keep them, if it's to protect someone.

[Riku should know... he's got plenty of those still.]

Let us assume it's two anonymous texters until further notice.

[maybe_a_king]

What sort of situation do you think it's acceptable?

[Text | Anon]

[themortalhalf]

When do you think it's acceptable?

[Text | Anon]

[maybe_a_king]

I don't know anymore. That's why I'm asking. [And she feels so strange about it, like she used to be so sure until now. The conflict feels strange to her. Foreign, almost.]

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[til]

Why would you want to kill someone?

{ Text; Anonymous }

[maybe_a_king]

The person in question intended to kill a lot of people.

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[pastalishe]

Legally and morally, I find murder to be reprehensible. I believe that, under most circumstances, murderers should be punished for their actions. In an ideal world, murder should not exist.

However, I doubt that any of us comes from an ideal world. We come from worlds where there are people who are dangerous. Who hurt themselves, people, and the world around them. There are people who cannot be stopped or imprisoned--only put down, for the sake of protecting innocent lives.

On the subject of secrets, I believe it is acceptable to keep a secret when the truth would do more harm than good.

[text] textjacked!

[greyerrant]

Does your world have many wars?

[text;Anonymous]

[maybe_a_king]

I think the first part is well said, Miss. Others who have replied seem to share the same opinion.

As for secrets: would that include a secret meant more to protect yourself than others?

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[risingshepard]

Killing is better left as a last resort. Nothing comes from mindlessly taking lives--it only dehumanizes you.

I'd say keeping secrets is alright as long as you know the person enough to not betray your trust, but even the most benevolent person on the surface may have their darker shades.

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[bakegarasu]

Why only as a last resort?

Perma-anon text until further notice!

[maybe_a_king]

What about if you don't have time to try other resorts? For example: if lives were on the line. Would it have been justifiable then?

Anon.

[afterthemoon]

When there's no other solution for keeping things safe.

Anon text until further notice!

[maybe_a_king]

And what about after? Would you be willing to inform the family?