ITP: Questions

[maybe_a_king]

[Four months. January would mark her fourth month in this place and Arturia is very, very confused. This is a place where special abilities are not only accepted, but commonplace, and there's little chance of the Grail War coming here. She always hated keeping secrets back home, but had understood the why of it. It bothered her, but she had accepted this as a fact of life.

Even more than that, Shinji weighs on her mind. Shinji had been a jerk, there was no question about that. The girls who followed him around were the type of teenage girl who seemed to think that sort of person was a real man. Arturia knew better than that just from spending so much time with Sakura. The only reason Arturia had not tried beating him to a pulp for what he did to his sister had been due to Sakura asking her to leave him be and stay out of it. It angered her to just stand by and yet....

...yet when she gets back home, she has every intention of going to the Matou home and telling Sakura in person that her brother is dead. Arturia has no idea how to tell her and the thought of lying to Sakura and creating a cover story leaves her slightly ill whenever she thinks of it since, in the end, Arturia feels like she is the one responsible. Archer may have put the bullet through Shinji's brain, but he had been Arturia's Servant.

There had to have been an alternative. There had to be.

Once she figures out how to post anonymously on the Network, she does so.]

[Text; Anonymous]

When is it acceptable to kill someone?

For that matter, when would you say it is acceptable to keep secrets.?

(ooc: Threadjacking is a-okay and encouraged)

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[kings_thief]

When innocent lives are at stake.

Text; Anon

[maybe_a_king]

[and they had been, indeed they had been. Maybe part of her feelings over the matter is, for all his depravity, she'd never considered Shinji the type to try to murder people for the sake of power.

Then again, she had never known there'd been another magus in the city apart from her until she'd gotten caught up in the Grail War.]

What about after?

[text]

[unohana_hat]

Wh3n 175 n07 p3rm3n4n7 （｀ー´）

Text; Anon; FUN WITH LEET SPEAK! \o/

[maybe_a_king]

I beg your pardon, sir? I think you might have misspelled a few words.

YEP /o/ I'm always afraid I'll miss a number though

[unohana_hat]

1 d1dn7 m155p3ll 4 7h1n6!

Or are you one of those boring people who can't read even that?

Hey, be glad you just delve in the numbers and don't try to do every letter. It's impossible then.

[maybe_a_king]

Read what? Is it supposed to be a code of some sort?

[Text]

[bakegarasu]

... There aren't really a lot of limitations on killing. Acceptability is only based on rules of society, and if you don't follow those rules at all then it really doesn't matter.

As for keeping secrets, that's up to you. It depends what you're keeping and who you're keeping it from. Is it important for them to know? If no then there's no real reason that you have to tell anyone anything.

[text] Oh, I have a more difficult version in reserve XD

[unohana_hat]

Wow how long have you been online? It's not that hard to figure out. (｀_´)ゞ

[maybe_a_king]

I never used the internet much before coming here. Not outside of school, anyway.

[She could work a computer, but anything beyond the basics is beyond her.]

[Text; anonymous]

[maybe_a_king]

What about if you were forced to kill a close friend to save a lot of people? [Well, Shinji was anything but close, but her identity might become clear if she elaborates more than necessary.]

Even if it's a secret you have to keep from your loved ones?

[Text]

[bakegarasu]

Then do it.

Unless you don't care about the people, then it's not your problem.

... Sure. Then again it's not like there's much of anyone I'm close to.

[unohana_hat]

A newbie! There's still people like that huh. You should keep up or you'll be left behind~

[text]

[electricyousei]

I don't think its ever acceptable to kill people, that makes it sound cold and distant. If there is no other alternative sometimes people die, but stopping that should always be a top priority.

Secrets though never bring anything good. Especially big ones.

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[greyerrant]

That is a hard question. In war, killing is a fairly easy undertaking, you understand you are slaying your foe, and you have been activated for war by those you trust.

Outside of a war, things are less clear. It has been so long since I've been anything other than a soldier it is a hard question for me, morally. I shall refer to some of the texts I used to study while not training for battle, or engaged in a campaign: In general, leave the killing to soldiers and in certain circumstances law enforcement. In extremis, in self defense, or in the defense of others who are clearly threatened MAY constitute a cause to slay another, but only if you have no other choice. Try to pursue other options first. Disable your opponent, bind them, talk them down.

[ As for the second question, Garviel has VERY strong opinions. ]

I loathe and despise secrets, they are the basis of unfair dealing and rub against the creed of secular enlightenment and knowledge that I cleave to. That being established, I have been forced by circumstances into a position where certain secrets must be kept. It is a hard question to answer. My advice is to always be truthful unless the lie will save and preserve lives. Personal feelings are immaterial. I once made friends with a man because I knew he wouldn't lie to me, and I've never regretted it. As a general rule, lies only benefit those without honor or a good argument, so you should avoid using them, and thus buying into the world view of those who would manipulate others without trusting them with the truth.

[greatergone]

Killing your enemies is always acceptable.

[text | anon]

[dreamprotector]

...It depends a lot on the situation.

Same with secrets. Though... It's okay to keep them, if it's to protect someone.

[Riku should know... he's got plenty of those still.]

[maybe_a_king]

I never such much of a point in being online all the time is all. I find I accomplish much more through other ventures.

[Text; Anonymous]

[maybe_a_king]

Really? That must be rather lonely.

[And it's not like her own circle of friends was very big: here or back home.]

[text; Anonymous]

[maybe_a_king]

Even in situations where a lot of people could be killed if you don't kill the one person?

So they're never acceptable to you?

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[bakegarasu]

Not really. I'm used to it.

text; anonymous

[maybe_a_king]

What about after someone is killed? What should you do then? Especially if they are a comrade of yours?

[And Garviel is just giving her more reason not to tell him about the water-walking. Damn it, Garvi. You and your ENLIGHTENMENT talk! She intentionally doesn't talk anymore about the secrets.]

[maybe_a_king]

what if it's not an enemy, per se?

Let us assume it's two anonymous texters until further notice.

[maybe_a_king]

What sort of situation do you think it's acceptable?

[greatergone]

[He has to ponder for a moment before replying.]

If the Greater Good requires it, then it is also acceptable.

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[electricyousei]

Especially in those situations. Those are the ones that are the first step to becoming a monster, and its usually a monster you would do that to, right? Aren't you better than that?

Secrets, lies, all these things are always found out in the end, and they always magnify the damage if lied about.