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Are any of you familiar with Carl Jung? If not, then I suggest you do.

But that is not my reason to come to you today. Rather it is to, perhaps, open your eyes should you chose to do so.

What makes good, good and evil, evil? Should both be simply placed as one or the other? If the 'evil' become the ruling force, would the rules be reversed? If someone steps up to remove a tyrant, are they doing good, or, in the eyes of others, are they being the ones who are evil?

...Or are we what makes these forces exist in the first place? Can good be really called good if there is no evil to defeat, no goal for them to attain?

You were all called here for a reason, but should you believe one side...or the other about what is the truth? As we become more enlightened, we tend to forget what came before. And as history has a tendency to repeat itself...

A man looks above to the nearby mountain. He knows not how it was made, and therefore decides that a god put it there. Is this man false? Scientifically, perhaps, we know that mountains are produced by the movement of lithospheric plates. Yet when we knew nothing of this, we saw the truth in a god. And so, this idea is born and now exists. Man gave it power, and the ability to create the mountain is now that god's.

Personas are reflections of a character's inner self, yet they are the gods, demons and powerful creatures of our worlds.

So then...can a man become a god...or was he always one?

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There are no gods, only men, and such philosophizing is thus meaningless. In my time we have looked behind the stars, are there are no golden chariots pulling them. The secular truth, the Imperial truth, is that man alone has a destiny, and any godlings he creates in the fulfillment of this destiny aren't of the old superstitious and mystical sort, but superhumans created through science.

[It's just one word- and really, it probably means nothing in the long run, but...]

leave

Who is this? Are you part of the Anoli?

Was there a point to this

tldr

Anything that happens, happens. Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen. Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again. It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.

Why are you doing this?

I read some of his stuff, yeah.

But personally, I'm sick and tired of arguing about moral relativism. If you're doing this to sew discord and distrust, drop it.

And yet that reality exists because it is what you believe in. Tell me, are there other forces in your world? Does this Imperial Truth have enemies?

Oh, so you're one of THOSE types. Not interested.

Edited 2012-10-18 20:14 (UTC)

[ He had the COMP read this back to him over and over again. Each time he kept spacing out. Finally, after managing to sit through the entire thing: ]

What makes something evil? Bad things, like greed and needless destruction. People who don't look out for anyone's good but their own. People who disrupt the balance of things.

But I take it you've never seen true evil before. If you had, you wouldn't be asking all these stupid questions.

There is no good and evil, it's all a bunch of bullshit. God is God, but that doesn't mean He's the only one. Was there a point to this post?

[Well... Riku hasn't read Jung, but he certainly has an opinion on the topic. He has no idea who this is, but... he supposes he'll take the bait.]

Intent. That is what makes good and evil. It's always a question of what has let to the actions taken. Why do we act the way we do? What motivations drive us?

Personally, I think any intent that aims to harm another cannot be considered anywhere near good. But I also know that things aren't always that clear cut, even if we would like them to be. There are always shades of gray.

What choices we make are our own though. They can't be blamed at any 'god'.

Nor are good or evil subject of perception.

That is not a possibility for me.

Reality exists because it is true, not because we believe in it. All that belief does is empower and inspire us to fight for mankind's destiny, in a secular future.

And of course. Any such idea would have foes who would prefer to remain lost in the darkness of ignorance, or pact with the dark things at the edges of reality. Corpse-whisperers and worshipers of fanes. Traitors to the truth, who valued their own ambitions over the good of Humanity.

"Good, evil, what counts is using one's strength to protect the weak and those done wrong by the tyrant God!"

And if I was, what would change with what I wrote?

Edited 2012-10-18 20:22 (UTC)

The intent changes everything. You're only trying to cause discord.

Only if you feel there is one.

If not, there is nothing more I can do.

[Just. Slow clapping for you. Strangely not mocking, but still.]

..A group meant to protect people could end up acting to hurt someone because they think, 'this is better in the long run.' People known as hurtful could be acting as secret saviors.

_{[He's not unfamiliar with that concept. Mostly, Ryu's trying to puzzle aloud what exactly the poster might be getting at...]}

If it's the same thing as what you said with gods happening because of people's belief.. well, there's probably a reason you mentioned both in the same talk. Then could thinking someone else is good or evil make them like that?

That is term I am not familiar with, "Crawling Chaos".

it means it was 2 long 2 read
plus i no man can't becum a god so wats the point??

[ Yes, she's typing this way intentionally just to be more difficult. ]

I'm quite familiar, yes.

'Evil' is a point of view. No one will ever agree on the definition of good and evil. In my world, I'm considered evil. By the standards of at least one religion, I'm considered one of the ultimate evils.

Does that mean I consider myself as such? No. I'm simply a man attempting to remove a tyrant. And yet I'm branded as such.

Man cannot become a god - but he has no reason to. To become like God would be to twist what makes humanity. Humans have free will - and God hates that they do, and He wishes to remove it if they do not follow what He commands. But free will and the ability to rebel and innovate is what makes humans what they are - and so an enemy of free will is an enemy of Man itself.

There should be no gods - only free will.

"I hope that clapping was not sarcastic. If you knew YHWH, you'd understand my hatred."

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