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Are any of you familiar with Carl Jung? If not, then I suggest you do.

But that is not my reason to come to you today. Rather it is to, perhaps, open your eyes should you chose to do so.

What makes good, good and evil, evil? Should both be simply placed as one or the other? If the 'evil' become the ruling force, would the rules be reversed? If someone steps up to remove a tyrant, are they doing good, or, in the eyes of others, are they being the ones who are evil?

...Or are we what makes these forces exist in the first place? Can good be really called good if there is no evil to defeat, no goal for them to attain?

You were all called here for a reason, but should you believe one side...or the other about what is the truth? As we become more enlightened, we tend to forget what came before. And as history has a tendency to repeat itself...

A man looks above to the nearby mountain. He knows not how it was made, and therefore decides that a god put it there. Is this man false? Scientifically, perhaps, we know that mountains are produced by the movement of lithospheric plates. Yet when we knew nothing of this, we saw the truth in a god. And so, this idea is born and now exists. Man gave it power, and the ability to create the mountain is now that god's.

Personas are reflections of a character's inner self, yet they are the gods, demons and powerful creatures of our worlds.

So then...can a man become a god...or was he always one?

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[greyerrant]

There are no gods, only men, and such philosophizing is thus meaningless. In my time we have looked behind the stars, are there are no golden chariots pulling them. The secular truth, the Imperial truth, is that man alone has a destiny, and any godlings he creates in the fulfillment of this destiny aren't of the old superstitious and mystical sort, but superhumans created through science.

[therooms]

And yet that reality exists because it is what you believe in. Tell me, are there other forces in your world? Does this Imperial Truth have enemies?

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[viditlibertas]

[It's just one word- and really, it probably means nothing in the long run, but...]

leave

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[therooms]

That is not a possibility for me.

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[sky_child]

Who is this? Are you part of the Anoli?

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[therooms]

And if I was, what would change with what I wrote?

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[roomguarder]

Was there a point to this

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[therooms]

Only if you feel there is one.

If not, there is nothing more I can do.

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[abmoemination]

tldr

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[therooms]

That is term I am not familiar with, "Crawling Chaos".

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[electricyousei]

Anything that happens, happens. Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen. Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again. It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.

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[therooms]

You speak of the philosophical concept of causality.

...A cat is penned up in steel chamber, along with the following device: in a counter, there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small that perhaps in the course of the hour, one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none.

If it does, the counter tube discharges, and through a relay releases a hammer that shatters a small flask of hydrocyanic acid that would instantly kill the animal.

If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that the cat still lives if meanwhile no atom has decayed. Yet if it has not, the cat is still alive.

However, how will one know unless they look inside? If we believe the cat to still be alive, will it be until that moment we peer in?

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[putonagoodshow]

Why are you doing this?

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[therooms]

Attempting to open their minds and allow them to think for themselves.

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[awww_yeeeeeaaaah]

I read some of his stuff, yeah.

But personally, I'm sick and tired of arguing about moral relativism. If you're doing this to sew discord and distrust, drop it.

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[therooms]

That is not my intention.

[misery_hates_company]

Oh, so you're one of THOSE types. Not interested.

[therooms]

If you chose not to answer my questions or think about them, that is your own choice.

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[gforceinmyfaaaace]

[ He had the COMP read this back to him over and over again. Each time he kept spacing out. Finally, after managing to sit through the entire thing: ]

What makes something evil? Bad things, like greed and needless destruction. People who don't look out for anyone's good but their own. People who disrupt the balance of things.

But I take it you've never seen true evil before. If you had, you wouldn't be asking all these stupid questions.

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[therooms]

You assume incorrectly.

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[ontheirside]

There is no good and evil, it's all a bunch of bullshit.

God is God, but that doesn't mean He's the only one.

Was there a point to this post?

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[therooms]

That is an interesting response. Yet why would God exist? Is It here because we believe that It is?

The "point" is what you want to make it to be.

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[dreamprotector]

[Well... Riku hasn't read Jung, but he certainly has an opinion on the topic. He has no idea who this is, but... he supposes he'll take the bait.]

Intent. That is what makes good and evil. It's always a question of what has let to the actions taken. Why do we act the way we do? What motivations drive us?

Personally, I think any intent that aims to harm another cannot be considered anywhere near good. But I also know that things aren't always that clear cut, even if we would like them to be. There are always shades of gray.

What choices we make are our own though. They can't be blamed at any 'god'.

Nor are good or evil subject of perception.

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[therooms]

You seem to speak from experience. Either forced blindly or by your own will, intent is indeed a large part of what drives us forward.

Yet at times the needs of the many will outweigh the needs of a few. Would you sacrifice a friend's life, or would you attempt the impossible, knowing you risk dooming the entire world as well?

[demifemme]

"Good, evil, what counts is using one's strength to protect the weak and those done wrong by the tyrant God!"

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[meaningdies]

[Just. Slow clapping for you. Strangely not mocking, but still.]

[cantgive100percent]

..A group meant to protect people could end up acting to hurt someone because they think, 'this is better in the long run.' People known as hurtful could be acting as secret saviors.

_{[He's not unfamiliar with that concept. Mostly, Ryu's trying to puzzle aloud what exactly the poster might be getting at...]}

If it's the same thing as what you said with gods happening because of people's belief.. well, there's probably a reason you mentioned both in the same talk. Then could thinking someone else is good or evil make them like that?

[therooms]

You are on the right path.

Does a Tyrant or a God think of themselves as evil?

Perhaps the egotistical ones or those that derive pleasure for it. Yet it is only when others rise up against them, that the true concept of "good" and "evil", "hero" and "villain" is born...and that too, depends on who is writing down the story.

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[meaningdies]

I'm quite familiar, yes.

'Evil' is a point of view. No one will ever agree on the definition of good and evil. In my world, I'm considered evil. By the standards of at least one religion, I'm considered one of the ultimate evils.

Does that mean I consider myself as such? No. I'm simply a man attempting to remove a tyrant. And yet I'm branded as such.

Man cannot become a god - but he has no reason to. To become like God would be to twist what makes humanity. Humans have free will - and God hates that they do, and He wishes to remove it if they do not follow what He commands. But free will and the ability to rebel and innovate is what makes humans what they are - and so an enemy of free will is an enemy of Man itself.

There should be no gods - only free will.

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[therooms]

That depends on who is involved - there are many men, who, I am certain, would try to become God.

Therein lies the dilemma. If the Idea of God was born by Free Will, then why does this God seek to destroy it?

[greatseal]

[she's got no opinion on actual gods and so on. Her only experience in that area is Nyx, and well.... that's complicated.

But men with those aspirations... that's different. And this person's writing rubs her the wrong way. It's throwing a lot of different concepts together in a way that looks pretty but is ultimately, not a pleasant message.]

A person who says they want to become a god really just wants to become a tyrant.

Humans can accomplish amazing things, but that's rarely just their own strength. It comes from being supported by others, and you can't get that by hurting or stepping on other people.

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[therooms]

Combining each other's support and dreams to become stronger....

Tell me, what is your dream?

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[whereibelong]

Things that are good are the ones that help others, makes them happy. I don't think anything that makes others sad or miserable or hurt can be good.

It's what's best for everyone, even if it isn't easy.

Evil hurts people, destroys things. Evil... doesn't care about others. Only itself.

[This... is starting to go into uncomfortable territory]

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[therooms]

A rather childish way of viewing things.

Take, for example, a woman standing in front of man she loves to protect him from an attack. This is an act many would consider "good" yet, does this sacrifice inevitably hurt the other?

Or if the person she saved was causing pain and misery to many others in the first place, was the act she did out of love be considered good...or evil?

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[poweryetunknown]

No one's good or evil. Everyone's complicated.

And I don't believe in gods.

[The Reaper's Game was... weird. But they weren't gods, even if the Conductor - Joshua, he has to keep remind himself - has a lot of power.]

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[therooms]

An interesting remark. If you believe in no Gods, why do you think you are here?

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[trulyworthit]

[Wow, that's... kind of dense subject matter right off the bat! She doesn't know Jung (or lithosphere plates, to be honest), but one part of the message makes her want to reply.]

Um. I'm not an expert but... good is good, right? Helping people, caring for each other... even if no one in the world was "bad," then people would just have other goals. [Sure, organizations could claim to be good while doing bad things- or do bad things "for the greater good," but there were inherently kind acts, right?] I mean- Defeating evil, "beating up bad guys," it sounds a lot like a goal a kid would have.

Same with "wanting to be a god," really...

But- I guess that really depends what you mean by "god." Since, some of these comments treat gods as really different from the Goddess...

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[therooms]

A being of power over others, removing their free will while having the power to impose your own. That is what many would say is a God. Yet Gods also inspire and motivate.

Who is your Goddess?

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[ineedthemforanalyzing]

I don't really understand how the second part of your message relates to the first, or how either of them relate to 20th Century AD psychiatry.

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[therooms]

Perhaps they were meant as two separate subjects.

Perhaps not.

That is for you to decide.

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[9tailedtemptress]

Morals, beliefs, sides, good and evil... all of them are subjective to each individual~ That's how I've always seen it and that's how I've always behaved for as long as I've existed.

One day I could have been Championing Demacia, while the next I could be Championing Noxus. I suppose each person decides what comes closer to their own personal beliefs and joins that crusade in opposition of the contrary~

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[therooms]

In other words, you exert your free will despite the consequences it might have for others.

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[drakenguard]

What is the purpose of such inane ramblings?

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[awww_yeeeeeaaaah]

From what I can tell, it's probably hints about why we're here in the first place.

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[grancenturio]

Man is better off having nothing to do with emulating the gods, whether it is possible to become one or not.

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[getoutclaus]

Not a fan of the gods, Nessiah?

[Course he already knew that but a question is a good conversation starter, don't you know!]

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[getoutclaus]

Are you saying that we should just trust some anonymous voice on the internet no matter what it says?

Don't come around here and try and make people question their own motives and what makes them good, you bastard!

[God the nerve of this anonymous poster and their anonymous ways! Santa is so totally not bothered in the slightest. furious.]

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[therooms]

Questioning what I am saying is the point of my post entirely.

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[getoutclaus]

I think you're shit out of luck if you're going to try and get much good discussion out of the majority of the tools this place pulled in, Moose.

That's your codename from now on; okay? Good.

Anyway, mind if I ask you some questions that don't amount to "who are you?", "why are you asking this?" and "what do you hope to achieve?"

I'm pretty interested over here.

[not here but he can see locked stuff so]

[putonagoodshow]

[...Moose.

Moose.

He is going to be calling Anon-tan Moose from now on, and nobody can stop him.]